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VOICE:	Good Afternoon. Congressman Reynold's office, how may I help you?
BEV:	Hi, is Valerie there?
VOICE:	No, she's gone for the day.
BEV:	Is it possible that I may speak with Mel, please, this is Beverly?
VOICE:	Beverly?
BEV:	Yes, sir.
VOICE:	Okay. What is this in reference to?
BEV:	Oh, I just need to speak with him, sir.
VOICE:	Okay, hold on a minute.
BEV:	Thank you.
(pause)
MEL:	Hi.
BEV:	Hi.
MEL:	Where you at?
BEV:	I'm still at Karen's sister's house. I'm sorry she hasn't made it in. I think she has to work over time, something like that.
MEL:	Okay.
BEV:	Wait. Do you have time to talk?
MEL:	Sure.
BEV:	You do?
MEL:	Hold on a minute.
BEV:	Great.
MEL:	Why didn't you call me earlier and tell me you weren't gonna make it?
BEV:	Because I was hoping that --
MEL:	But you knew at the -- you knew that at 5:00 o'clock that you couldn't be hereby 5:30 or 6:00 o'clock, right?
BEV:	But I was hoping that I would be able to make it. I was hoping maybe she could zip me by there or something. Trust me, I wanted to be there. But now I see I'm not gonna make it. I was hoping she would come in any minute, actually. Hello?
MEL:	Wait, that guy that -- I'm just looking at this thing for a second.
BEV:	Okay.
MEL:	This guy who said he saw this kid kidnapped in the car?
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	He's admitting now that he lied.
BEV:	That he lied?
MEL:	That he lied. Isn't that something?
BEV:	Yeah. So can we talk?
MEL:	Oh boy, yeah, I was really looking forward to seeing you.
BEV:	Yes, I was looking forward to seeing you also, yes.
MEL:	How about can you, can you -- Is there any chance you can leave later?
BEV:	I'm waiting on her to come in. I'm just, uhm, I don't even know because I -- She was supposed to be here about 4:00 o'clock and she still hasn't made it in and I can't leave the kids here.
MEL:	Have you -- of course not -- Have you spoken with her?
BEV:	No, I haven't. She didn't call or anything.
MEL:	Damn.
BEV:	That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm just hoping that she's gonna walk in any minute. I don't have the number to where's she --
MEL:	How often have you -- how often have you babysat for her?
BEV:	Oh, not very often. But like I say it was Karen's sister so I went ahead and did it. And well, only about, uhm, three or four times now. This has never happened so it had to be something important.
MEL:	Yeah.
BEV:	Yes. So -- huh?
MEL:	What you gonna wear?
BEV:	Well, my peach underwear, like you told me to. I was hoping that we could do something really special but I see that's not gonna happen, I guess.
MEL:	I was definitely gonna stick my dick in you.
BEV:	Really?
MEL:	Right in my office. I was gonna masturbate too.
BEV:	Really?
MEL:	I was looking forward to it.
BEV:	Yeah, I been thinking about a lot times we had together. We had some really good times.
MEL:	Uh-huh, that summer when I used to fuck you out south in that Riverdale apartment?
BEV:	Right, right. Remember that one, when I wore white lace underwear. I think it was like the summer of '92 over in the apartment --
MEL:	Uh-huh.
BEV:	You had on that blue underwear, that was real nice.
MEL:	Yeah.
BEV:	Right.
MEL:	Hold on a second, honey.
BEV:	Yes, of course.
MEL:	I want you to do me a favor, all right?
BEV:	What's that?
MEL:	I want you to, I want to you -- first of all, I want you to think about sex.
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	And I want you to think long and hard. I want you to tell me about a sex thing you did, that Idon't know about.
BEV:	Oh, let me see.
MEL:	Like when you went down on me or something but it was a time that I wasn't there for it.
BEV:	Oh, so you don't want to talk about any of our stuff, you want me to talk about something that you don't know about?
MEL:	Right, a sex thing you did with some person, either a woman or some guy or something. And -- cause I want to -- cause I'd like to think about you in those little panties that I used to fuck you.
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	I like to think about somebody else doing the same thing to you.
BEV:	Okay. Uhm, ooh, let me see.
MEL:	Don't make nothing up.
BEV:	Well, the only thing I have is Karen now.
MEL:	But I'm talking about -- I know Karen now but maybe, maybe in the last couple of years, last year or so.
BEV:	In the last year or so.
MEL:	That day you saw that pussy or played with it a little and then licked it or something.
BEV:	Okay.
MEL:	-- with a girl or a guy.
BEV:	Well, you wanna hear about Karen? That's the only person I been with. You don't want me making anything up, right?
MEL:	No.
BEV:	But -- Well, that's all I have.
MEL:	Only Karen?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	When did you fuck her for the first time, when did you come?
BEV:	Uhm.
MEL:	When you all played with each others pussy for the first time.
BEV:	Uhm, yeah, right, exactly.
MEL:	Right, right, exactly.
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	How, how -- Did she approach you or you approach her?
BEV:	She approached me.
MEL:	What she say?
BEV:	She just -- She really didn't say anything, she just like kissed me and took off my clothes and I took off hers and were like lying down by the, and we just sort of went down on each other.
MEL:	She suck your pussy?
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	What kind of pussy does she have? Is it wet?
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	Is it really, is it hairy?
BEV:	Yes, very much so.
MEL:	Did you lick her ass?
BEV:	Yes, I did. Oh yeah. I remember, yes.
MEL:	Did she lick your ass?
BEV:	Uh-huh.
MEL:	You, you and her would suck each others pussy at the same time?
BEV:	Sixty-nine, yes.
MEL:	Did you ever do that?
BEV:	Yeah. A lot of times.
MEL:	When was the last time you sucked her?
BEV:	The last time, uhm, this morning.
MEL:	This morning.
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	What you all do this morning?
BEV:	Six-nine.
MEL:	Sixty-nine.
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	Yeah. How long did you do it?
BEV:	I guess for about 15 minutes.
MEL:	Okay. Did she wake you up in doing it or did you wake her up or did you just -- did it before she left?
BEV:	No, after we got out of the shower. We took a shower and then when we got out, that's when it happened.
MEL:	Does she, does she, does she come when you suck her pussy?
BEV:	Yes, of -- yes, of course.
MEL:	Comes a lot?
BEV:	Uh-huh.
MEL:	Does she make noise when you make her come?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	Do you ever stick anything in her pussy?
BEV:	Dildo.
MEL:	Oh yeah?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	Do you fuck her with that?
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	Is it big?
BEV:	Uh-huh.
MEL:	And it, was it real dark?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	Is it a new one?
BEV:	No, it's the, uhm, no, it is a new one. It was one of hers. Yeah.
MEL:	Does she fuck you with it too?
BEV:	Uh-huh.
MEL:	Bev?
BEV:	Huh?
MEL:	Does she fuck you with it too?
BEV:	Yeah, yeah.
MEL:	Did you fuck her with it this morning?
BEV:	No, not this morning.
MEL:	When was the last time you fucked her with a dildo?
BEV:	Uhm, I think it was Saturday, maybe.
MEL:	So who bought the dildo?
BEV:	It was hers. It's hers.
MEL:	Have you ever made her come with, you know, pumping her with the dildo?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	Does she like that?
BEV:	Uh-huh, she likes it a lot.
MEL:	Did you ever put it by her ass?
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	Did you ever fuck her there?
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	You have?
BEV:	Uh-huh.
MEL:	Did you use Vaseline on it?
BEV:	Right, right, exactly.
MEL:	Has she ever fucked a guy?
BEV:	Uh, yes, I believe so. Yes, she has.
MEL:	Has she ever talked about doing a threesome with you?
BEV:	No, she never talks about doing a threesome with me. No, she hasn't.
MEL:	I was looking forward to that today.
BEV:	Really? Well, there's a girl I know, she's talked about doing threesomes.
MEL:	What girl?
BEV:	Uhm, Theresa.
MEL:	Is she pretty?
BEV:	Yeah, she's pretty. She's fifteen.
MEL:	No, she's lying?
BEV:	How does she look?
MEL:	She's fifteen?
BEV:	Yeah, she's fifteen but she like really, she's really nice looking.
MEL:	Oh yeah?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	When was the last time you talked to her?
BEV:	I talked to Theresa, it had to been last week, last Sunday.
MEL:	Would she wanna do a threesome with you, with two, one on one?
BEV:	Yeah, she didn't say with, with me though cause she knows I'm with Karen, but she was talking about doing threesomes.
MEL:	She's only fifteen?
BEV:	Yeah, she's only fifteen.
MEL:	What was she talking about?
BEV:	She was just saying that, uhm, she just likes anal sex and threesomes and things like that. She's really wild.
MEL:	She's only fifteen?
BEV:	Yeah, she's only fifteen, that's it.
MEL:	You sure?
BEV:	Uh-huh, I know how old she is.
MEL:	Have you ever seen her pussy?
BEV:	Uhm, no, I haven't actually. Right, but she's like really, uhm, she dress, she, she looks much older than she is.
MEL:	Does she wear really tight --
BEV:	Huh?
MEL:	-- pants and stuff like that?
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	How do you know her?
BEV:	Well, we used to go to -- No, me and her cousin and I, we used to go to school together and that's how I know her.
MEL:	So where were you when you saw her?
BEV:	Maybe we were at, uhm, I think we were at Longwood or something like that, she lives, in the area, in the Morgan Park area.
MEL:	How -- Do you know how to get in contact with her?
BEV:	Yes, I know how to get in contact with her.
MEL:	You think she'll fuck?
BEV:	Yeah, I think she will.
MEL:	You sure?
BEV:	I know Theresa will.
MEL:	Oh yeah?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	Think she'll suck my dick?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	Yeah.
BEV:	Well, what about me?
MEL:	She'll think you're watching --
BEV:	What?
MEL:	Actually, will she watch you suck my dick?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	She'll watch you suck my dick?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	You sure?
BEV:	Uh-huh.
MEL:	She'll watch you fuck me?
BEV:	Right.
MEL:	Are you sure?
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	Now come on.
BEV:	Well, she's gonna want you to have sex with her too, now.
MEL:	She's gonna do what?
BEV:	She's gonna want you to have sex with her too, now.
MEL:	I don't think I want to do that.
BEV:	Why not?
MEL:	Young.
BEV:	What?
MEL:	Is she -- You think I'd want to fuck her?
BEV:	Yeah, she's really pretty, really pretty.
MEL:	You're cute.
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	Really pretty?
BEV:	Yes. She'll be sixteen, I think in, uhm, three or four weeks now.
MEL:	Why don't you try to set it up?
BEV:	Huh?
MEL:	Why don't you try to set it up?
BEV:	Yes, I will.
MEL:	Now you -- You're just telling me that, aren't you?
BEV:	Uhn-uhn, I'm serious.
MEL:	You are? You think she's gonna like this big dick?
BEV:	Yeah, I believe she would.
MEL:	Yeah?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	What you gonna say to her?
BEV:	I'm just gonna say, I'm gonna tell her, uhm, let me see what will I tell her? How could I tell her I know you?
MEL:	You know this guy.
BEV:	Yeah, I know this guy, and well, you know, that we have sex, we have sex a lot and we --
MEL:	Isn't she gonna, isn't she gonna wonder, isn't she gonna wonder, uhm, if, doesn't she think you're just with Carol?
BEV:	Karen. No, I'm gonna tell her that I used to go with you when I was sixteen.
MEL:	Right.
BEV:	Yeah, and that, you know, we've been lovers, we were lovers then, and we been, you know, I've been with you and --
MEL:	You may not want to tell her that, that age thing.
BEV:	No?
MEL:	Uhn-uhn.
BEV:	Okay.
MEL:	That would screw me, that would cost you.
BEV:	Okay.
MEL:	Cause you're gonna be 19, aren't you?
BEV:	Yeah, I'm gonna be 19 in November.
MEL:	Jesus, that's been a long time, huh?
BEV:	Right.
MEL:	I'm gonna have to cut that off because I got people here.
BEV:	Okay.
MEL:	I don't wanna scream. Haven't -- I've been known to scream, haven't I?
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	To make noise, I should say.
BEV:	Right.
MEL:	So how did, how did this subject come up with this girl?
BEV:	No, she was just --
MEL:	Talking about sex?
BEV:	Huh? Yeah, talking about sex.
MEL:	Interesting. Where does she go to school?
BEV:	Uh, she said, uhm, oh goodness, I think it's Our Lady of Peace, something like that.
MEL:	Lady of Peace? A Catholic school?
BEV:	Huh? Yes.
MEL:	Jesus, a Catholic --
BEV:	A Catholic school girl, right?
MEL:	Did I win the Lotto?
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	You think I could see a picture of her before I meet her?
BEV:	Maybe I can get a picture, maybe from, get one from her cousin.
MEL:	Why you say, why you think she's pretty?
BEV:	She's uhm, she's just pretty to me. She has a really nice body especially for a girl her age.
MEL:	Pardon? For a girl her age?
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	Describe her.
BEV:	Well, she's about, I guess about five-three. Uh, long brown hair. I think about like, uhm, 36-24, maybe 36-38, really big behind. She's nice looking, really nice, beautiful skin.
MEL:	And, you know her cousin?
BEV:	Yes. I know her and her cousin, yes.
MEL:	So does Karen -- What's, what's your friend's name?
BEV:	Karen.
MEL:	Does Karen know her?
BEV:	Yes, Karen knows her.
MEL:	Where is Karen from?
BEV:	What do you mean, where's she from?
MEL:	Is she, is she from your neighborhood or --
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	-- go to high school with you?
BEV:	Right.
MEL:	Okay. Just wondering how you met her.
BEV:	Uh-huh.
MEL:	So she was staying at your house for a while.
BEV:	Right.
MEL:	So, so the young lady that you're baby-sitting for, she never even called today?
BEV:	No, she hasn't called or anything, hasn't come in or anything.
MEL:	Where's she coming from?
BEV:	Huh? Uhm, she's working, well, you know, I don't even know, she just came and got me this morning and said, Bev, I've got something to do. I'm gonna go to work and I need you to come by. The other days I baby-sitted for her shehad to go out to the Public Aid office or something.
MEL:	She had to go where now?
BEV:	She has to go to the Public Aid office or something like that.
MEL:	She had to go out to the Public Aid office?
BEV:	Right. Uhm, so, when are we gonna see each other again, if not today?
MEL:	Uhm, I'm going -- I'm going to, uh, Washington tomorrow morning.
BEV:	You are?
MEL:	Yeah. I'll be back on Friday morning.
BEV:	Friday morning?
MEL:	And I'll be here all weekend.
BEV:	Mel, suppose we can go out again --
MEL:	Sure.
BEV:	-- like we did the first time?
MEL:	Absolutely.
BEV:	Like the Eastbank Club and --
MEL:	That'll be no problem at all.
BEV:	That'll be good cause I really, I remember that so well. And that was like two years ago.
MEL:	Yep.
BEV:	That was great.
MEL:	That was the first time we went out.
BEV:	Uh-huh.
MEL:	That was the first time we went out, sat, had dinner, talked.
BEV:	Right, right. And we were in the car and I remember, right? I remember everything that happened in the car. That was good. Some good times.
MEL:	Yeah, they were.
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	And we, uh, I, uh, I think about that sometimes.
BEV:	You do? When we first met?
MEL:	What did you say?
BEV:	I said, when we first met.
MEL:	Yeah.
BEV:	You remember what you used to call me?
MEL:	What?
BEV:	You remember what you used to call me?
MEL:	What was that?
BEV:	You used to call me Sweet Young Pussy.
MEL:	What?
BEV:	Sweet Young --
MEL:	Sweet Young Pussy.
BEV:	You don't remember that?
MEL:	It was definitely sweet --
BEV:	Cause I was 16, I was 16.
MEL:	-- and it was young.
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	Yeah, buddy. Yes, buddy.
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	How's your mom doing?
BEV:	My mom, she's okay. She's okay.
MEL:	Your brother?
BEV:	Oh, my brother's okay. Uh-huh, my family's doing well.
MEL:	Uh-huh, that's good.
BEV:	Thank you.
MEL:	That's good.
BEV:	How's your family? How's Corey?
MEL:	Corey's fine. Corey's 2 years and 7 months now.
BEV:	Oh, wow.
MEL:	But she's gonna start nursery school in September, she's gonna be three.
BEV:	Oooh.
MEL:	Yeah.
BEV:	She grew up so fast to me.
MEL:	And, uh --
BEV:	Really fast.
MEL:	-- Jay and Lizzy, they're gonna be 11 months old on, on, uh, Wednesday. They'll be 11 months old.
BEV:	Really?
MEL:	They'll be a year --
BEV:	The twins?
MEL:	Yeah, they'll be a year old in July. And, uh, they're just being babies now, you know.
BEV:	Uh-huh. Mel, what were you saying about Sophia earlier?
MEL:	Oh she, she, she ask, she's asked about you a few times. She actually said she saw you one time with your friends.
BEV:	In the restaurant?
MEL:	Yeah.
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	Uh-huh. But she was just asking about how you doing and she enjoyed being with you.
BEV:	I wouldn't mind getting with her again.
MEL:	I don't think she'd mind either.
BEV:	I remember when we were in the hotel, that was real nice.
MEL:	Yeah, that was fun.
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	That'll be a plan when we have, uh, where, uh, where we have time.
BEV:	Yes.
MEL:	Not just in my office.
BEV:	Right.
MEL:	You know? That's what I would hope it'll be, one of those situations, you know.
BEV:	Okay.
MEL:	What you think?
BEV:	Hmmm, that'll be great for me.
MEL:	Pardon?
BEV:	That'll be great for me.
MEL:	Yeah. Can you get away?
BEV:	When?
MEL:	I mean, you know, like from Karen. I mean, isn't she gonna ask or wonder where you are and shit?
BEV:	That's what I'm saying, remember I was telling you about when she's in school --
MEL:	Right.
BEV:	Right.
MEL:	Where does she go to school?
BEV:	Morgan Park.
MEL:	Oh, she's still in high school still?
BEV:	Right, she's graduating in, in a couple weeks from now actually.
MEL:	Is that right?
BEV:	Yeah.
MEL:	I didn't know she was still in high school.
BEV:	Uh-huh.
MEL:	How does she manage to stay in school and living on the street and shit like that?
BEV:	Well, we, we worked it out. We did it.
MEL:	What about her, uhm --
BEV:	Huh?
MEL:	How do her parents feel about all this?
BEV:	No, she's a ward of the state.
MEL:	Oh, she's a ward of the state?
BEV:	Uh-huh.
MEL:	I didn't know that. So she don't got no parents?
BEV:	Right.
MEL:	Well, she's got parents but -- How long has she been a ward of the state?
BEV:	Since she was twelve. Seven years now.
MEL:	That's amazing. She's nineteen?
BEV:	Yes, she's nineteen.
MEL:	Nineteen years old.
BEV:	So you'll be back on Friday, right?
MEL:	I'll be back on Friday.
BEV:	Okay.
MEL:	Why don't you call me on Friday?
BEV:	I sure will.
MEL:	Okay?
BEV:	Okay.
MEL:	All right.
BEV:	Bye.
MEL:	Or you can page me during the week, I'll be -- I won't be on, on another planet.
BEV:	All right.
MEL:	All right.
BEV:	All right.
MEL:	Bye.
BEV:	Bye.
BEV:	-- Overhear, 1994 COH 046. My name is Beverly T. Heard. The preceding recording was made on the 6th of June, 1994 at 1730 hours, from telephone number 312-890-3041. I dialed telephone number 312-568-7900. I have given my consent to the State's Attorney Office to record this conversation. I understand that this was done pursuant to a Court Order signed by Judge Fitzgerald.